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PretzelCorps · #8 12-18-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TuckerGently

Do you know how science works? Every two-bit jerk in a lab coat is just itching for a chance to gain a cred point by shooting down someone else's errant conclusions. That keeps the community as a whole very diligent and honest. And the media may be somewhat sensationalistic in their determination of what is "newsworthy" but they do as a rule tend to report things more or less the way they hear them. That is, after all, their function.

Actually, science is suspect, in my opinion --> The world of science is a very volatile place, and like you said, they love 'getting cred points by shooting down someone else's errant conclusions.'

It's important to remember that an 'errant conclusion' is not necessarily determined by truth, but rather by general consensus (Galileo was shot down in flames his entire life).

It's also important to remember that these young scientists have families to feed and reputations to build/protect. They DO have the option of leaping into a field where they will likely never make any real discoveries in their lifetime, essentially starving and dying unheard of.... Or, they can make one little discovery regarding some glacier melting in some obscure place, and receive all the publications they want and tons of grant money from environmental groups.

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Originally Posted by TuckerGently

This is why I quoted your post, because I'm agog at this conspiratorial accusation. In addition to what I've said above, let me riddle you this: how in the blue nutsack would such a massive conspiracy work? Are there subterranean meetings? Secret memos? And why? Why would anyone, let alone virtually everyone who was involved in Earth Sciences, endeavor to foist a global untruth upon the people? Because they're all Leftists and mesmerized by the hippie ethos to the total exclusion of fact, reason and due empirical process? Could you swallow that hypothesis on examination? Really?

Actually, if you look at all the railroads in Russia, they bend and curve to write the letters "xaoh a si gingmarw labolg", in shorthand.....

Seriously, though --> I never once said "conspiracy".

If there is a conspiracy, it's not one that anyone knows they are a part of. Basically, my attitude comes down to this: There are simply far too many people that benefit from the world believing in AGW, for me to just benignly accept it as plain-as-day truth, without challenging it a little.

Obviously, first and foremost are the environmental groups that spent the first few decades of their inception in exile, shunned by all people alike --> These days, they recieve more respect and financial "aid" than they ever wetdreamed of; certainly, they've recieved quite a bounty in AGW.
Al Gore made a movie right after losing an election... Would I be surprised to see him in the running again 4 or 8 years from now, once people have forgotten his promise "never to run in politics again"? --- "I know I once promised never to run in politics again... But this is just too much! I can no longer stand idly by, and let these people destroy the world! It is my duty to be president! I'll let my Nobel Prize do the talking."
As I mentioned, there is a benefit to scientists --> Easy grant money from environmental groups and even easier reputation.
The media gets the benefit of people buying their printings --> Its's undeniable that people would much rather spend their money reading about how they're going to die terrible deaths in a few years, than how safe they are, and they'll read it over, and over, and over...
Some governments get a stake by putting up "incentives" and carbon-taxes, and all sorts of other revenue-boosters.

I'm not saying all these people get together every wednesday in a cathedral, wearing weird-ass costumes, and chant "coo-rah-kah, coo-rah-kah, the conspiracy goes well today!"

What I am saying, is that if there is enough of a benefit to some folks; "Well, where's the harm in little 'ol me doing this and that"