Thread Revival: Virginity, does it matter?

[ValentinSelezynov]

Originally Posted by Constantine

Make this thread about abortion and I guarantee you I'll have at least ten other members calling for your ban. Please, stop being childish by baiting and stop derailing the thread. This one is about virginity.

To some people, virginity is important and to those that think that, is it because you view them as more "pure" or do you simply like the idea that you are their first?

When "you might accidently have a child" is used as justification for not having sex, that makes it an "on topic" subject in a thread about virginity.
So, please, stop being childish and deal with it.
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Originally Posted by TimmehD

Well, that's a horribly controversial statement. It seems everything you've said is horribly controversial and...well, immature.

Personally, I don't know how I'd feel if my wife had an abortion before we were together. That's a lot different than just having sex. I would actually appreciate it if someone were to make a thread about Nature vs. Self Control because I want to comment but don't want to get off topic.

No, i'd say those that put so much impetus on virginity and stifling their sexual urges are the immature ones here.

[TimmehD]

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

No, i'd say those that put so much impetus on virginity and stifling their sexual urges are the immature ones here.

Damn, you hit the nail on the head. I should grow up and get bangin', huh?

[Himeko]

So what you're saying is that being a virgin when you're 18 is just suppressing your desires, thus being wrong. If you want it, do it.

Your suggestion is that I, being a 17 year old girl and a virgin, should have sex, use protection and if something goes wrong, pay about $450-$800 for an abortion to end a life for my mistake. As well as my partner's mistake.

That's really responsible.


Now my stance on virginity is pretty indifferent. I don't care if she's not a virgin, but if she is, that's cool.

[Constantine]

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

When "you might accidently have a child" is used as justification for not having sex, that makes it an "on topic" subject in a thread about virginity.
So, please, stop being childish and deal with it.

Yeah, but pregnancy is different than abortion. They're related, but that doesn't mean they're equal. If someone says that they want to remain a virgin because they don't want to get pregnant, how does that mean "start a discussion about abortion"? That's like saying if I start a discussion about the psychology of a mass murderer with a gun, the thread should be allowed to be about gun control.

And yes, you are derailing the thread and yes you are being childish because you're baiting people. Stop.

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

No, i'd say those that put so much impetus on virginity and stifling their sexual urges are the immature ones here.

How do you figure? Plenty of people are extremely mature and simply don't want to take the risks. Yeah, it may seem less fun to you, but how in the blue hell does it make them immature? If the ones who don't have sex and the ones who have too much sex are immature, where the hell does maturity lie?

[Pugz]

I'm 19 and still have my viginity, i'm not 'surpressing' anything, i simply just don't have the time and energy for a boyfriend. My first concern is getting myself into a job that could make or break my life, along side that is my mother's health, so the last thing i will do is **** the next guy i date simply because it's 'nature'.

[ValentinSelezynov]

Originally Posted by Himeko

So what you're saying is that being a virgin when you're 18 is just suppressing your desires, thus being wrong. If you want it, do it.

Your suggestion is that I, being a 17 year old girl and a virgin, should have sex, use protection and if something goes wrong, pay about $450-$800 for an abortion to end a life for my mistake. As well as my partner's mistake.

That's really responsible.


Now my stance on virginity is pretty indifferent. I don't care if she's not a virgin, but if she is, that's cool.

If you're a 17 year old girl and you have those desires, you should definately indulge them. It's natural. I don't think you'd be ending a life, but i've already been asked to not talk about that.

And how is realising you can't take care of a child, and doing something about it, not responsible?
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Originally Posted by Pugz

I'm 19 and still have my viginity, i'm not 'surpressing' anything, i simply just don't have the time and energy for a boyfriend. My first concern is getting myself into a job that could make or break my life, along side that is my mother's health, so the last thing i will do is **** the next guy i date simply because it's 'nature'.

Do you masturbate?
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Originally Posted by Constantine

Yeah, but pregnancy is different than abortion. They're related, but that doesn't mean they're equal. If someone says that they want to remain a virgin because they don't want to get pregnant, how does that mean "start a discussion about abortion"? That's like saying if I start a discussion about the psychology of a mass murderer with a gun, the thread should be allowed to be about gun control.

And yes, you are derailing the thread and yes you are being childish because you're baiting people. Stop.



How do you figure? Plenty of people are extremely mature and simply don't want to take the risks. Yeah, it may seem less fun to you, but how in the blue hell does it make them immature? If the ones who don't have sex and the ones who have too much sex are immature, where the hell does maturity lie?

Well i didn't bring the subject up, someone else did. And she used it to support her position on virginity. There is no need to not have sex for fear of getting pregnant, because you can just get an abortion. That's all i'm saying.

[TimmehD]

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

There is no need to not have sex for fear of getting pregnant, because you can just get an abortion. That's all i'm saying.

Too bad your mother didn't feel the same way.

[Constantine]

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

If you're a 17 year old girl and you have those desires, you should definately indulge them. It's natural. I don't think you'd be ending a life, but i've already been asked to not talk about that.

So, natural desires should be indulged and never thought about eh? Do I even need to begin to tell you how pathetic that logic is? I've got about 10-12 good examples of natural desires that could cause some real problems. Just because something is natural, does not mean we shouldn't question it.

I mean, for example, I'm driving to work the other day and some guy cuts me off (quick and hard). I almost dipped into the next lane where I would have hit someone else. Now, I would have loved to just pull in front of him, slam on the breaks, and watch his piece of **** car wreck. However, since I have a functioning brain, I'm able to corral and manage the urge efficiently.

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

And how is realising you can't take care of a child, and doing something about it, not responsible?

Because the responsible thing to do is to have foresight, the ability to see what may happen and take precautions against those events. Can't afford a baby? The use a condom and birth control or don't have sex at all.

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

Do you masturbate?

Not trying to be too personal are we?

Originally Posted by ValentinSelezynov

Well i didn't bring the subject up, someone else did. And she used it to support her position on virginity. There is no need to not have sex for fear of getting pregnant, because you can just get an abortion. That's all i'm saying.

So what if someone else brought it up, you're still derailing the thread! Is this that hard to understand? I'd respond to the second part of that post, but I don't know if I can without cursing you out, but I'll try.

The first major problem with your whole "just **** and don't care" logic is that it creates a sense of "passivism". If you teach people not to care about consequences, all sorts of things will fall to ****. Hell, why not just go 100 down the highway, who gives a ****, right? There's repair shops and hospitals, who cares, right?

The second major problem is that abortions are dangerous. They can cause a woman to lose the ability to procreate and pardon me if I don't fit in to your perfect idea of the world, but a few sexual encounters are not worth losing the ability to have a family of your own.

Now, I'm very far from being the type of crusty old authority figure who decries sex and passion, but what you're suggesting is a total lack of care, responsibility, and precaution. That's a lot worse than a few days of suppressing your urges.

Originally Posted by TimmehD

Too bad your mother didn't feel the same way.

Alright, alright, take it easy. We don't need this thread closed over flaming.

[ValentinSelezynov]

Originally Posted by TimmehD

Too bad your mother didn't feel the same way.

Classy. Most Western governments feel the same way as me on the matter. I guess their mothers should have aborted them too.
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Originally Posted by Constantine

So, natural desires should be indulged and never thought about eh? Do I even need to begin to tell you how pathetic that logic is? I've got about 10-12 good examples of natural desires that could cause some real problems. Just because something is natural, does not mean we shouldn't question it.

I mean, for example, I'm driving to work the other day and some guy cuts me off (quick and hard). I almost dipped into the next lane where I would have hit someone else. Now, I would have loved to just pull in front of him, slam on the breaks, and watch his piece of **** car wreck. However, since I have a functioning brain, I'm able to corral and manage the urge efficiently.



Because the responsible thing to do is to have foresight, the ability to see what may happen and take precautions against those events. Can't afford a baby? The use a condom and birth control or don't have sex at all.



Not trying to be too personal are we?



So what if someone else brought it up, you're still derailing the thread! Is this that hard to understand? I'd respond to the second part of that post, but I don't know if I can without cursing you out, but I'll try.

The first major problem with your whole "just **** and don't care" logic is that it creates a sense of "passivism". If you teach people not to care about consequences, all sorts of things will fall to ****. Hell, why not just go 100 down the highway, who gives a ****, right? There's repair shops and hospitals, who cares, right?

The second major problem is that abortions are dangerous. They can cause a woman to lose the ability to procreate and pardon me if I don't fit in to your perfect idea of the world, but a few sexual encounters are not worth losing the ability to have a family of your own.

Now, I'm very far from being the type of crusty old authority figure who decries sex and passion, but what you're suggesting is a total lack of care, responsibility, and precaution. That's a lot worse than a few days of suppressing your urges.



Alright, alright, take it easy. We don't need this thread closed over flaming.

Okay, firstly i'm not saying we shouldn't question our desires. If your desire is to kill someone, that's obviously a problem. Sex isn't the same thing though, and i actually said that it's only okay if you take precautions. If your urges can be carried out in a safe and responsible way, then do it. So your example really doesn't work. Sex for you might be like a car crash, but for me, not so much.

As for having foresight and using contraception, i agree. In fact i already said that in a previous post. I was not saying just have sex. I said take precautions.

You've misrepresented my position in short.

[Obsessiforge]

gentlemen, we've strayed very far

the thread is about virginity. how about we talk about that and not the obviously touchy subject of abortion?

as for me I think virginity isn't an issue. then again I may be biased