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08-19-2008, 06:56 PM
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#31 (permalink)
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OH MY BOSH!!!
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Well if we get Sundin then Sundin would be our first line center, then Plekanec our second line center(you cant break up: Kovalev, Plekanec, A Kostysyn line) meaning Koivu drops to 3rd line. Inless you move Koivu to Winger, which will never happen.
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08-19-2008, 07:19 PM
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#32 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Chris_Bosh
Well if we get Sundin then Sundin would be our first line center, then Plekanec our second line center(you cant break up: Kovalev, Plekanec, A Kostysyn line) meaning Koivu drops to 3rd line. Inless you move Koivu to Winger, which will never happen.
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IF Sundin makes it to Montreal I hate to say it but Montreal has no use for Saku Koivu anymore. Yes, he has done many great things for le Club de hockey in the past for for the city of Montreal as well and he is a great person and player on and off the ice, and this is one case where I can say I hope for the best of the rest of his career, and he'll still be one of the most respected players I'll ever respect but I have no use for him on my team anymore. We got rising skill, and we got bigger players, we got faster players, and when it comes to leadership we got players who are maturing enough to wear the C. Christopher Higgins. Face it, IF Sundind makes it to Montreal, Koivu would be of good value in time for the trade deadline.
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08-20-2008, 07:58 PM
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#33 (permalink)
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OH MY BOSH!!!
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IF Sundin makes it to Montreal I hate to say it but Montreal has no use for Saku Koivu anymore. Yes, he has done many great things for le Club de hockey in the past for for the city of Montreal as well and he is a great person and player on and off the ice, and this is one case where I can say I hope for the best of the rest of his career, and he'll still be one of the most respected players I'll ever respect but I have no use for him on my team anymore. We got rising skill, and we got bigger players, we got faster players, and when it comes to leadership we got players who are maturing enough to wear the C. Christopher Higgins. Face it, IF Sundind makes it to Montreal, Koivu would be of good value in time for the trade deadline.
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Oh I completely agree with you except for the Higgins comment. But lets face it if we actually get Sundin there's no way Gainey will trade Koivu, especially that he's only got one year left till his current contract runs out. As for the Higgins comment, if we do get Sundin I'd give him the C over Mr incosistent Chris Higgins. I know Sundin would be new to the team, but he's been there long enough that he'd be qualified to captain the Montreal Canadiens.
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08-20-2008, 08:56 PM
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#34 (permalink)
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But lets face it if we actually get Sundin there's no way Gainey will trade Koivu, especially that he's only got one year left till his current contract runs out.
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Any team can rent him for a playoff push.. or even for the playoff race, and in turn give Montreal 1 or 2 minor players that can be usefull on the forecheck or on special teams.
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As for the Higgins comment, if we do get Sundin I'd give him the C over Mr incosistent Chris Higgins. I know Sundin would be new to the team, but he's been there long enough that he'd be qualified to captain the Montreal Canadiens
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A captain should have experience with his team, and should lead it.. hence proving himself.. if Sundin is new to the team it's not worth giving him the C.. Michel Therrien is not our coach
Higgins is a great leader.. or at least he is turning out to be. And he may be inconsistent but he is the only player on the Canadiens who has been improving every year since his rookie campaign.. he deserves a C ASAP.
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08-21-2008, 10:46 AM
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#35 (permalink)
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OH MY BOSH!!!
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Originally Posted by padd
Any team can rent him for a playoff push.. or even for the playoff race, and in turn give Montreal 1 or 2 minor players that can be usefull on the forecheck or on special teams.
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You dont understand we cant trade our most valuable leader in the locker room. It would just ruin everything(hence what happened when we trade Craig Rivet in the middle of the season). We can afford to keep him for another season. It would be a big mistake if we do trade him, especially in the middle of the season.
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A captain should have experience with his team, and should lead it.. hence proving himself.. if Sundin is new to the team it's not worth giving him the C.. Michel Therrien is not our coach
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No it shouldn't. You ask anyone about who you rather have as your team captain if we got Sundin, and we got rid of Koivu, and everyone will mention Sundin.
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Higgins is a great leader.. or at least he is turning out to be. And he may be inconsistent but he is the only player on the Canadiens who has been improving every year since his rookie campaign.. he deserves a C ASAP.
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I dont disagree with Higgins starting to turn himself into a leader, but when you got a leader like Sundin you got to give him the C. How is Higgins the only player to improve every year since his rookie season?? Plekanec as been improving a lot more, and Andrei Kostysyn had a big jump as well.
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08-21-2008, 12:23 PM
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You dont understand we cant trade our most valuable leader in the locker room. It would just ruin everything(hence what happened when we trade Craig Rivet in the middle of the season). We can afford to keep him for another season. It would be a big mistake if we do trade him, especially in the middle of the season.
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I don't understand what you said, because first you said Koivu is not needed on the Habs anymore now you're saying he is our most valuable leader. To be honest, look at when Koivu was injured at the end of the season.. Kovalev took over as leader and he did a very great job, don't you agree? I think last season Kovalev was a better leader on ice than Koivu.
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No it shouldn't. You ask anyone about who you rather have as your team captain if we got Sundin, and we got rid of Koivu, and everyone will mention Sundin.
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wrong, you are the only person so far that has mentionned Sundin's role as Captain(in that situation) look at history, can you name me a remarkable captian who just joined a team and became captain on his first year? Even if it did happen, it's not right. Sundin has not proved himself as a leader to the Hab franchise. Sure, the Maple Leafs.. but Toronto is a different team, different people, different attitude. the fact of the matter is Higgins should have priority over Montreal than Sundin. why? because it's his team, he was there in 2006 when they dropped a 2-0 lead the the Canes, he was there in 2007, he stepped up his play and scored 2 goals in a 6-5 loss to TO and missed the playoff, he was there when they got upset by the Flyers in 2008. He may not be consistent during the Regular season but he is a great leader and he has some skills in every aspect of the game, he can score, he can play on the special teams, he can play defensive, he can lead a team. I'd also give Kovalev a C before Sundin.. but Kovalev is a selfish player at times.
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How is Higgins the only player to improve every year since his rookie season?? Plekanec as been improving a lot more, and Andrei Kostysyn had a big jump as well.
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Well during his rookie season he got 23 goals in 80 games, the next season he got 22 in 60 games and the season after that he got 27 in 80... meanwhile Plekanec got 9 in 2006, 20 in 2007, and 29 in 2008. well what I meant to say is Higgins has been the most consistent player since his rookie season. As you can see he got 20+ goals since, and has been getting better each year. On the other hand you can't say the same about Plekanec. Plekanec may be more talented when it comes to play making, but he is more one-dimensional than Higgins. Higgins can be used for just about anything on the ice.
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08-21-2008, 02:28 PM
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#37 (permalink)
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OH MY BOSH!!!
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I don't understand what you said, because first you said Koivu is not needed on the Habs anymore now you're saying he is our most valuable leader. To be honest, look at when Koivu was injured at the end of the season.. Kovalev took over as leader and he did a very great job, don't you agree? I think last season Kovalev was a better leader on ice than Koivu.
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On the ice yes, but we'd still need him in the locker room. Kovalev did lead on the ice, and helped the young guns a lot, but he was definitely a quiet leader when it came in the locker room. Koivu as been there for a long **** time, and he knows when to step it up by words and his play. Plus Koivu's heart is still needed on this team, and trading him would cause a lot of problems for les Habitants. I just phrased my agreement wrongfully. I apologize.
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wrong, you are the only person so far that has mentionned Sundin's role as Captain(in that situation) look at history, can you name me a remarkable captian who just joined a team and became captain on his first year? Even if it did happen, it's not right. Sundin has not proved himself as a leader to the Hab franchise. Sure, the Maple Leafs.. but Toronto is a different team, different people, different attitude. the fact of the matter is Higgins should have priority over Montreal than Sundin. why? because it's his team, he was there in 2006 when they dropped a 2-0 lead the the Canes, he was there in 2007, he stepped up his play and scored 2 goals in a 6-5 loss to TO and missed the playoff, he was there when they got upset by the Flyers in 2008. He may not be consistent during the Regular season but he is a great leader and he has some skills in every aspect of the game, he can score, he can play on the special teams, he can play defensive, he can lead a team. I'd also give Kovalev a C before Sundin.. but Kovalev is a selfish player at times.
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Higgins hasn't shown any leadership skills whatsoever. He does critisize is play or the Habs play from time to time, but he wont take the bull by the horn and get his team over the hump when his team is struggling. Sundin can do those things. He's been there through all the times you've mentioned, but how many times did he actually led by example??? Maybe once. I've talked to many Habs fan who would give up the ''C'' to Sundin if Koivu was ever traded. Heck I even think Higgins would be gone by the Trade Deadline. Listen I'm a Higgins fans, and you wouldn't beleive how much i want him to succeed, but he's just not consistent enough to rely on him.
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Well during his rookie season he got 23 goals in 80 games, the next season he got 22 in 60 games and the season after that he got 27 in 80... meanwhile Plekanec got 9 in 2006, 20 in 2007, and 29 in 2008. well what I meant to say is Higgins has been the most consistent player since his rookie season. As you can see he got 20+ goals since, and has been getting better each year. On the other hand you can't say the same about Plekanec. Plekanec may be more talented when it comes to play making, but he is more one-dimensional than Higgins. Higgins can be used for just about anything on the ice.
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Your definitel wrong on that one. Higgins is way more one-dimensional then Pleks. Higgins cant set up another player to save his life, same can be said about finishing a play to score a goal. If your talking about fore-checking or PK time...Pleks is definitely two times better then Higgins on both aspect. Ask any Habs fan and they'll tell you that they rather have Plekanec then Higgins. Just ask Babe Ruth he'll agree with me.
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Last edited by Chris_Bosh; 08-21-2008 at 02:30 PM.
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08-21-2008, 03:07 PM
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#38 (permalink)
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Your definitel wrong on that one. Higgins is way more one-dimensional then Pleks. Higgins cant set up another player to save his life, same can be said about finishing a play to score a goal. If your talking about fore-checking or PK time...Pleks is definitely two times better then Higgins on both aspect. Ask any Habs fan and they'll tell you that they rather have Plekanec then Higgins. Just ask Babe Ruth he'll agree with me.
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yeah right, because he's your twin brother and you think the same. Although I strongly disagree that Pleks is better on the PK than higgins.. he had a better season than Higgins in 2007-2008. the previous 2 seasons though Higgins was the best penalty killer on the team, he had 6 SH between the 2 seasons as well as on the powerplay. Sorry, I forgot Higgins had a 1 dimensional season last year. Other than that let's face the truth, neither of these 2 players are superstars.. yet. I'd keep both of them, idk why you'd trade Higgins, he is still young. He has some time left with us.
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On the ice yes, but we'd still need him in the locker room. Kovalev did lead on the ice, and helped the young guns a lot, but he was definitely a quiet leader when it came in the locker room. Koivu as been there for a long **** time, and he knows when to step it up by words and his play. Plus Koivu's heart is still needed on this team, and trading him would cause a lot of problems for les Habitants. I just phrased my agreement wrongfully. I apologize.
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Well then if that is so, he should be getting used to playing on the 3rd line because we both know he won't be needed on the top 2, with Sundin and Plekanec in the lineup.
hopefully this season will be for Higgins
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