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Old 12-16-2007, 03:34 PM
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The 1904 World Series

Here is something that I have been thinking about for a couple of months now:
Okay, so in 1903 the Boston Red Sox (formerly known as the Boston Americans) won the first World Series. Being Managed by Jimmy Collins, the Red Sox were able to win 4 of the 8 games that they played against the Pittsburge Pirates. It wasnt easy though. The Red Sox started the series down 3-1 to the Pirates. The came back and won the next 4 games, something that would not happen again for 22 years. Of course, the Red Sox were able to do this not only with physical ability, but also with the support of thier fans. Especially the Royal Rooters, who travelled to Pittsburge and sung the song "Tessir" to distract the Pirates. This was an amazing series for baseball, and the first World Series turned out to be a great one.

But in 1904, what was supposed to be the 2nd World Series, was not played, due to some bitter feeling from the New York Giants manager, Jown McGraw. The Red Sox repeated as AL Champions, while the Giants had won the NL title. McGraw, though, did not have kind feelings towards the American League. He refused to let the Gaints play the Red Sox, calling the AL the "junior" or "minor" league. So no one is credited with winning the 1904 World Series.

But lets see:
1. The Red Sox were the defending champions from 1903.
2. The Giants refused to play the Red Sox which basically means that they forfieted the series.
3. When a team forfiets, doesnt the opponent usually get to take home the win?

Think about it, not only were the Red Sox defending champions but the Giants forfieted the Series. So shouldnt the 1904 World Series title belong to the Red Sox?



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Old 12-16-2007, 05:45 PM
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It abslolutely should belong to the Red Sox. The Giants refused to play, and therefore forfieted the series.
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Old 06-22-2008, 01:12 PM
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The World Series was not an official event in 1904 and no team was under any obligation to play in it. There was no forfeit involved.
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:51 PM
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Both Giants manager John McGraw and team president John T. Brush had looked down their noses at the fledgling American League since it's inception in 1903, despite the fact that the AL's Boston entry won the first World Series the previous year. That series had been agreed upon by the Pittsburgh and Boston clubs with a handshake. There had been nothing written stating that the two pennant winners would face each other every year to decide the 'world's champion of base-ball'.

During the dog days of summer, 1904, the New York Giants were leaving their closest rivals, the Chicago Cubs, in the dust and were all but a shoo-in to win the NL pennant. Thus emboldened, Brush proclaimed his disdain for the upstart AL and announced that the Giants would not lower themselves to the AL's level by even considering to play against their champion. Many insiders at the time felt that McGraw and Brush were afraid of being shown up in their own backyard by the AL's New York entry, the Highlanders, who were in first place at the time of Brush's proclamation. Despite AL president Ban Johnson's assertion that his champions would gladly take on the Giants, Brush and McGraw held firm and no series was played in 1904.

Of course, both the Giants and the eventual AL champs, the Red Sox, claimed the title of world champs and had meaningless celebrations to that end in their respective ballparks.

Brush, seeing how badly the fans had wanted a series to be played, and being an opportunist, did a complete reversal and drew up the plans, and rules, to ensure that a World Series was played every year starting in 1905 between the two leagues' champions.
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