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Old 08-14-2008, 03:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Underrated Historical Events

What events in history do you think aren't given the attention and analysis they deserve, given their influence?

I think the French Revolution is the most important thing that has occurred in the last two hundred years, and while it has been studied greatly, in history classes it is ignored relative to the American Revolution and the two World Wars.
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In general nearly everything related to the eastern world. It seems the history books here simply do not talk about the east at all.

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Old 08-14-2008, 03:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Look at something like the Mongol Invasion. It destroyed the caliphate, and showcased the first recognizably 'modern' military (highly trained and mobile units).

Were it not for the death of their leader, they most likely would have taken over Europe, yet they get maybe a page in a history book.

I also think the Muslim Golden Age is greatly underrated. The Renaissance wouldn't have happened without it, yet it's basically never mentioned unless it's some peripheral to the Crusades (exchange of ideas/technology).
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Old 08-14-2008, 03:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The Muslim Golden Age was exactly what I was thinking of. We get hand fed western history and viewpoints of the world, even though our history is relatively young compared to the rest of the world.

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Old 08-14-2008, 03:45 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree on the Muslim golden age. Heck, without Arabic numbers and mathematics coming to Europe with the Spanish Reconquista, we would have never developed ... anything, technically.

I also think the rule of Napoleon III in France (1851-1871) is worth a closer look. It's often considered "the first modern dictatorship in history". That's basically all I know about it, which I think is a pity.

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Old 08-14-2008, 06:16 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think the Muslim golden age is a somewhat overrated event. In the light of the Renaissance or the Enlightenment it is only a marginal happening. Sure it was important to the Muslims, but its influence on European society can be compared to that of the introduction of Chinese or Byzantine elements.. they speed up the European development, but do not cause them or alter their course.

I'd say the Industrial revolution or the scientific one that sparked it was one of the most important events in human history. And the introduction of the internet, that doesn't quite get the attention it deserves in history books
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think the Muslim golden age is a somewhat overrated event. In the light of the Renaissance or the Enlightenment it is only a marginal happening. Sure it was important to the Muslims, but its influence on European society can be compared to that of the introduction of Chinese or Byzantine elements.. they speed up the European development, but do not cause them or alter their course.
All math that made the development of physics, geometry, and mathematics in the Scientific Revolution was developed by Islamic scholars. Hell, we call it al gebra for a reason.

Modern medicine, measurement, astronomy, poetry, and plus the retention and study of a vast majority of the classical writings that spurred the Renaissance.

Plus, the Islamic Golden Age gets maybe a couple pages in a 700 page textbook. You're saying that's too generous?
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:10 AM   #8 (permalink)
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All math that made the development of physics, geometry, and mathematics in the Scientific Revolution was developed by Islamic scholars. Hell, we call it al gebra for a reason.

Modern medicine, measurement, astronomy, poetry, and plus the retention and study of a vast majority of the classical writings that spurred the Renaissance.
All math? Sure they introduced some handy tools, but to say that all these things wouldn't have developed without them is simply not true. They were an enrichment to European culture, not a defining factor.
The majority of classical writings were passed down by European monasteries during the dark ages and another bunch were left to us after the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire.
Furthermore, the 'Islamic' golden age thrived in Spain and Sicily. Not because the Islamic culture was more advanced there, but because Christian, Jewish and Muslim culture coincided there. It was the mutual exchange of ideas and texts that sparked a 'Renaissance'. Jewish and Christian scholars can take as much credit as Muslim scholars do. Hence the term 'Islamic golden age' (as the introduction of new ideas in the west) is not fully appropriate.

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Plus, the Islamic Golden Age gets maybe a couple pages in a 700 page textbook. You're saying that's too generous?
I say that's about as much as it deserves. When I say it's overrated I'm pointing towards popular culture that desperately seeks to raise Islamic culture to a status it doesn't deserve.

It is true that the Islamic world was more powerful and more advanced than the west during the middle ages. And it is true that they too contributed to the technological and intellectual development of the west. But that's about it.
The Renaissance and Enlightenment are way more important because they shaped a whole new attitude. Towards life, nature, everything. And that attitude of rationality, individuality and the belief in progress are what shaped our modern society.

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Old 08-15-2008, 09:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The Barbary Wars and a whole lot of African conflicts come to my mind. I never even heard of the Barbary Wars until earlier this year.
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Old 09-08-2008, 06:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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the application of penicillin!

Highly underrated as an event I feel!

Even though it was not widely available during World War Two it still saved a large number of lives. Think how many lives it has saved since!
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