I was checking out this game Turning Point: Fall of Liberty... and I was thinking what if this really did happen in America. It's 1953, America never entered the war and Germany won, and took over England and made their way to America. They invaded the East Coast from Boston to Washington DC. Would they be successful in their invasion, or do you think armed American insurgents and the Army would be able to fight them off? How would this war turn out?

YouTube - Turning Point: Fall of Liberty trailer

YouTube - Turning Point: Fall of Liberty

Check out the game link and tell us how you think the German invasion of America would have turned out if it happened?

Personally I think they would have had one hell of a time after the initial invasion more so when they got more inland and rural.

I agree. It would have been a huge war on American soil. I think it would be very hard for anybody to completely capture America though. I mean, even today I can't believe the government knows what is going on in the middle of nowhere.. and there are a lot of very open and remote areas here. It would definitely be an interesting war to see.. one that I hope we never do see.

The only way I could see Germany having been successful in such an invasion is if winning in Europe gave them the time and resources to significantly improve their technological edge over America. With better ballistic missiles than the V-2, they may have been able to give us a run for our money. It is, though, very difficult to imagine.

As far as rural or inland America being much of a factor, I don't see that. If Germany crushed our defenses, and seized our power centers, then everyone else who resisted them would be little more than an annoying insurgency. Once folks came to realize that their paychecks would be provided pending German approval, I think most Americans would be quick to fall in line.

Wolverines!!!!

I agree that that's a distinct possibility or at least wrothy of serious consideration.

That seems to be the way invasion/occuation/resistance went in Europe.

In the west nations with fair economies and relatively high standards of living buckled under occupation and made due with what they were given, even if it was less than they might have wanted or were accustomed to.

When you're a "have" it's better to accept life as a "have less" than put up a serious resistance and risk becoming a "have not".

It was just the oposite in the east. Those who started with little put up a real resistance and spent the better part of 6 years being crushed under the heel of a jackboot. When you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain resistance looks a whole lot more attractive.

Also a consideration would be the nature of the occupation. Hitler didn't look down on western Europeans the way he did on those in the east. "Slavs" ranked up there with Jews, Gypsys, and the handicaped as undesireable untermensch. The nature of the occupation of the different regions were in line with this supremicist philosophy. There weren't Einsatzgruppen running around France and the Benelux and all of the extermination camps were in the east.

Along that same vein I wouldn't expect a Nazi occupation of the United States be terribly oppressive (by the standards of the time). Hitler may still have taken what was ours if he were capable but he wouldn't have considered us vermin fit for little more than annihilation.

To broaden the discussion:

Are we also pretending that the U.S. was never involved in a war in the Pacific?

Because if we're not we have to take into account the massive military build-up that would have occured as a result of our war with Japan (in spite of not having entered the European war), the technological developments that would have resulted (including atomic weapons), and the economic and industrial changes that would have occured in America following that war, which if not as substantial as the change that followed the two wars would still not have been something to sneeze at.

Ultimately I say if we stick with history on this front and assume that America did fight a war against Japan then a German invasion would never have been successful. If we pretend that America didn't fight Japan and stuck to the isolationist philosophy that many Americans espoused following our involvment in WWI and up through the 1930s then the invasion might have been possible and successful.

Germany would have been destroyed. Think about it we had atom bombs and they didn't.

Pretend we didn't have the bomb.

What do you think would happen then?

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Pearl Harbor never happens. There's no immediate impetus to go to war with anyone so the doves who have been pushing for isolationism since 1920 win out and we don't enter the war in Europe either.

No war - no bomb (probably).

Either Germany wins WWII and becomes the sole global superpower, or Russia wins the war and does what Russia did anyway (I know that what Russia did was a result of playing a game of one upsmanship with the US and our NATO allies but were pretending here).

So either Russia or Germany as the world's only superpower decides to invade a United States which does not have a bomb, which hasn't realligned, reorganized, and grown her military, and which did not go thrugh a period of postwar economic expansion unparalled in human history.

Essentially the US is what she was at the tail end of the Depression with a couple years of modest economic growth behind her.

Who'd win then?

If you put it like that then I think that the US probably would have lost the war if the Soviet Union invaded them. If it was Germany then I don't really know, but Germany probably would have beaten us.

I find it amusing that Britain, a small island of four small countries, could beat an enemy so huge I know we had help, but still, it makes you wonder, hmm?

If we still had the British Empire, we'd be spread over half the world or more

However, I would describe myself as Welsh, rather than British, and I'd never call myself English. Not that I've got anythin against the English, its just a matter of pride is all.

That's actually a very interesting question.

Britain was on the verge of surrender when the United States intervened. Going with the assumption that the atom bomb was never invented and that pearl harbor never happened, thus never starting the whole ordeal in the Pacific Theatre, my guess is Nazi Germany would have plowed through the US in their own ironic version of D-Day. Perhaps all of East Asia would still be in Japanese hands. Oh and we also have to assume that Hitler didn't make that teeny weeny mistake with Russia, hm?

V-2 rockets raining hell down from the sky even though they pretty much landed randomly.

I take it your not British?? They'd rather have died than surrendered.