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  #21 
Old 07-02-2009, 04:44 PM
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I think you should listen less to what he says and look closer at what he actually does. Also, look around at all the Socialist and/or Marxist regimes around the world and how they all tend to suppress those things that Americans enjoy. In my own opinion, those are the same things that Obama is pushing to suppress here in the US.
Heck, he's already shown his true colors in his varied responses to the actions of other governments around the world.
The American press is clearly biased, and have abdicated their duties of impartiality decades ago. Fewer and fewer Americans pay any attention to them at all anymore.
Perhaps you would do well to put a set of silencers in both your ears so that you are not so deafened to the real truth of what his actions truly show.

I would love to continue this conversation uninterrupted, but my long weekend calls.
I'll get back to this next week.



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  #22 
Old 07-02-2009, 05:16 PM
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I’m not looking for responses from moonbat liberals (I recognize that nothing will change your mind).
Well now, I was about to tell you about my own doubts, but I see this isn't really a topic for real debates.
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Old 07-03-2009, 07:02 AM
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I think you should listen less to what he says and look closer at what he actually does. Also, look around at all the Socialist and/or Marxist regimes around the world and how they all tend to suppress those things that Americans enjoy. In my own opinion, those are the same things that Obama is pushing to suppress here in the US.
Heck, he's already shown his true colors in his varied responses to the actions of other governments around the world.
The American press is clearly biased, and have abdicated their duties of impartiality decades ago. Fewer and fewer Americans pay any attention to them at all anymore.
Perhaps you would do well to put a set of silencers in both your ears so that you are not so deafened to the real truth of what his actions truly show.

I would love to continue this conversation uninterrupted, but my long weekend calls.
I'll get back to this next week.
Not to mention he was endorsed by the communist party USA. That should raise a red flag. Dal... the point is the media glamorizes him, and just because he says it does not mean it's fact. One thing with American politics is never ever ever believe what comes out of a politicians mouth. They are gonna butter is up for you and make it sound great and give you warm fuzzies, but there is a lot more behind the scenes going on.

Look at what Obama says, and what he does, then look at the repercussions from those actions. Remember for every action there is a reaction.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:48 PM
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Well now, I was about to tell you about my own doubts, but I see this isn't really a topic for real debates.
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts. I'm not the OP, but the topic can still be relevant to other people.
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:46 PM
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This is still an interesting discussion and I enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on this, in actual fact once everything with my issues right now are sorted out I am considering trying to get into Politics. You said Pro2A that the media glamorizes him but don't the media do that in everything? I suppose that is the whole point that they want to give everyone warm fuzzies to give people hope that there will be change for the better, as I said I love Obama as it seems the words that come out of his mouth have real meaning and he actually does want to make it a better place for everyone. Time will tell and maybe I might eat my own words in a few years, who know's? I am by far not very well informed about politics as of yet but when I have looked into it deeper hopefully I can offer better posts on these subjects but either way it's still a great topic and at least I can offer up a few (maybe not so well informed) opinions of my own! Thanks guy's! :)
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Old 07-04-2009, 07:54 AM
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Since I am not an American citizen, I could not vote for Obama, but I would have if I were.

So far, I am disappointed by a few things Obama did, especially his reluctance to revoke the laws that were made under Bush regarding the extralegal detention, kidnapping and torture of suspects who are denied a fair trial. Obama is too cautious to actually mess with the Bush regime and Republicans for the sake of looking not like a divider, but a uniter. Still there are many things on the plus side, IMHO, especially when it comes to foreign policy and diplomacy.

So I am not in 100% agreement with Obama, but considering the alternative -- McCain/Palin --, I don't regret at all having supported Obama (though not with my vote) or that he was elected. Just the idea of a President McCain makes me shiver.

As for the media allegedly being biased in favor of Obama, I don't have the impression that's the case. Large parts of the media do have a bias, that's for sure -- in some cases, that's clearly a political bias, like in case of FOX News. But from what I saw and read, I have the impression the strongest bias is a bias towards sensationalism and the lowest common denominator of the audience. Complicated issues are not given the appropriate time for debate, instead there are stupid slogans and private matters are drawn into the public to smear candidates and politicians. Just think of how the pregnancy of Sarah Palin's daughter made the headlines, or Michelle Obama's "slip" she was "proud on America for the first time". Those things are given much time in the media, while actual stances and issues are often dumbed down and simplified beyond recognition.

Also, there seems to be a certain persecution complex at work on the right: They seem to believe when there are positive or neutral reports about a "liberal issue", that's bias -- they want the equal airtime for conservative counter-positions, regardless of its merits. But that's not what neutrality is. When someone says "the world is flat", it would not be "neutral" to give him the equal airtime as an opponent who says "the world is a globe". Truth does not depend on the party affiliation of the person advancing it, and it's not "non-partisan" to give the erring counter-position equal consideration, just because it's the stance of the opposite party. Genuinely neutral and abitious journalism will be critical towards any argument or claim, regardless of the party affiliation of the person advancing it -- and call both parties to it, when they both distort reality.

Most of the American media failed to do that when Bush claimed Iraq has WMD -- instead of critically questioning his claims, they were on a post-9/11 patriotism mode of uncritically supporting the President. I don't see how this indicates a political bias towards the left side.

As for the bias towards simplicity -- it may be true Obama gets a good image in the media because of that, but not because the media has a "left bias". It's because Obama is very skilled at using the media. He has the ability to make his point in a 10 seconds clip and still look good in it, unlike many other politicians. The media loves that, because they have not to filter or cut these statements that are longer or more differentiated. Obama simply knows how the media works, and is very diligent of embracing it to present himself, IMHO.
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Old 07-10-2009, 04:08 PM
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(I don't know too much about Politics so I base my opinion on as I see things and I do watch the news. I love Obama, if I could have voted for him I would have done 100 times over, you might not think I have a right to have strong opinions on this subject because as of yet I am still an illegal in the US )

Dali, I strongly encourage you to seek more knowledge on the political issues that face each one of us in this great nation, before the time you are able to cast your first ballot as an American citizen. No man or woman is entitled to your vote based on charisma. Pay attention to what President Obama does, not how he makes you feel while listening to his charming rhetoric.

I have assumed that you came from Great Britain based on several words you chose in previous posts. President Obama sent back to England a bust of Winston Churchill during his first week in office. That was a gift given to the White House after 9/11 to convey solidarity between our two nations. If he no longer wanted to see it in the oval office, I am sure there was another appropriate place somewhere in that mansion. He bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, but did not extend the same courtesey to the Queen of England. (I, personally, don't think he is required to bow to either). I am sure the iPod that was downloaded with his historical speeches, which was given to the Queen, smoothed over the lack of respect for our greatest ally, England!
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