Ok. What is your solution to fix this problem? Who says your the voice of reason? I belive the government does a great job of keeping its society safe, and there are always exceptions. I am not excusing this guy, and I do have my own beliefs toward what type of punishment he should have, but I do not belief that I can use the same judgement toward every other guy.


Sometimes if I go into the bathroom and there is an ant, or something crawlie on the floor I pour toothpaste, or hairgell, or alcahol on it to kill it. I dont touch it becasue I dont want its gross insides on me, but I killed it none-the-less. Does this mean im going to escolate to killing small animals, and eventually humans?

My dad loves to hunt and fish. Does this mean hes going to escolate to killing people who like are like people who arn't the bad guys?

Unless you have a map of this guys complete thought process, and intentions, I don't think that you have any say toward what his punishment it. The media does a great job of throwing things out of proportion, and being very partial.

Even if a guy did that to me, I wouldn't want him to get the death penalty. I would feel bad for him to be honest if he got 18 years in jail. The fact that he got out 18 years later and KILLED a girl is a little disturbing, but whos to say that this isnt a result of the environment he lived in the last half of his life?

I just dont think that you have all the variables and the right to claim anything against the USA judicial system or this guys life untill you know all the facts.

If you dont like the way our judicial system is run, then why not create a revolution and FIX it? To lazy?





Our DNA does not change very much and many deaths are caused "due to cancer" becasue of the fact that our DNA mutated. Rarely does a mutation go right, and when it does it is very small. Time on the evolutionary scale has not even blinked since the beginning of our existance, and it would be really ignorant to say that we have evolved past cavemen.

I can agree that SOCIETY has evolved due to increase in technology and knoledge due to our natural tendency to work toward our desires therefor subconciously improving society, but we all react on the same instincts, and chemical reactions and variables that cave men did way back when.

Men don't. force... in the hopes of cute cudly babies your right.. But they do do it becasue it pleasures them. I agree it realeases how ever many dopamine or endorphins or w.e in there brain making them feel very good while, and after. But this is due to our subconcious will to reproduce. Females have this will too. I don't think its as.. desperate as men, but I know that women have it. The fact that some men go around haveing s*x with as as many pretty girls as possible proves that the mans instinct is to pass his DNA on to as many offspring as possible. The female on the other hand wants a mate that can provide security. She is therefore far more selective. The testosterone crazy male "the rapist in this situation" does not want to go through the long process of proving himself the the female, and therefor lets out his desires through force. It is an explainable human instinct that is only culled by the instinct that drives us toward self preservation. The instinct to live is dominant over the instinct to reproduce "generally" and this is why the male will go about the civil way of having s*x due to this self preservation instinct.

Have you ever seen a disaster happen? This disaster that causes caos.. department stores get robbed, cars get pushed over, women get.. forced.. this is becasue the disaster is so sever that the human feels that in his mind there is no one to get him in trouble if he reactive on pure instincts... this moment of chaos.. when there is noone to get someone in trouble for somthing.. that is when you see the true nature of men come out... its like... lord of the flies.. but REAL...


ON THE OTHER HAND... killing is not in our DNA. Not of the opposite sex. This is only caused by the self preservation instinct.... This is caused by society, the environment we were raised and reside, and desperation... NOT OUR DNA.

that is what i was getting at...

One thing you are missing is the notion of evil. Sure, there's dna and environment but evil is the main factor in violent crimes. So, if someone rapes another person, they would also kill, steal, mutilate, etc..
In most rape cases, I think you're looking at not just evil, but demonic evil. They have a force inside them that's beyond what they can control.

This guy in the story knows the system, he knows he's going to get caught, but he rapes and kills anyway. His survival instincts should take over and do whatever is necessary to keep him off death row. But, there is a wildcard factor that makes him do it anyway. That's evil.

I think with you being young and at a higher social class its possible that you have never really seen evil up close. That's good, wish I could say the same. I try to pass that on to my family by giving them the best neighborhoods and schools I can afford.

That is a good point, but I'm not sure I belive in evil. Well, IDK what I believe in... I belive in something... and I thank it everyday because I honestly feel like I'm being helped with how lucky I get like almost ALL the time... I don't know who or what is helping me though, so I always just look over my shoulder and say thank you. I like to pretend there is a little ferri siting on my shoulder helping me lol.

I don't belive in god though. The reason is that he is too main stream. Religon is a simple way for the ancients to explain the unexplainable relative to there time. It is always a reliable method toward controlling people. I belive what ever force it is that is helping us "if any" is either in our minds... or unexplainable. Not something like us that thinks though.

Definitly good point though. Evil "if its real" I guess could be a factor though I doubt it.

The judicial system fails all the time. How is it parents can neglect, beat, and molest children but yet keep their children, even when CPS has been called? How can the foster care system loose children in the system? How is it there are innocent men and women in prison and guilty on the streets? How is it we arrest and convict a crack pusher and let a robber and rapist out to make room for the drug dealer?
I can tell you why, the system is imperfect, the system fails because people fail. Its true often the system does work, but not always which is why stories like this are scary, because it can and does happen.


Unless mapping his thought process and intent brings us to mental defect or insanity, then in a straight up rape and murder trail all you need are the particulars. Girl is raped and dead, this guy did it. His thought process doesn't really play into it and shouldn't play into his sentencing unless

1. He immediately turned himself in and showed remorse, maybe and thats a big maybe we can talk about some degree of leniency.

2. Insanity or Mental Defect, in which case he should be in a mental institution.


Well thats what prison therapy is for, I don't think we should be lenient because he had a rough childhood.
Believe me I'm all for rehabilitation and programs that help prisoners find what triggered their behavior and correct it, but that shouldn't get a rapist/murderer out early, just because his uncle bad touched him.
Rough childhoods happen to alot of people, statistically a fair sized group of the members of this board have been raped and beaten as children, but most of us aren't rapists and killers.

True we don't have all the facts, but a double rapist was let out prison and killed someone. From what we know about the American prison system its safe to say prison overcrowding might have played a part in his parole.


Or you can write to politicians and vote like a good citizen. You could also protest and petition. Also big talk coming from someone who can't vote. Revolution isn't the answer to effecting change, being politically aware and active is. If you don't like it vote for representatives that have ideas for fixing our justice system.

Lol. You kid yourself to say that voting has any affect in our democracy. Human minds are far to simple,and far to easily taken advantage of. Manipulation is all that is needed to sway any large society. Look at history. How many times has a whole society been manipulated into something horrible?? It is scary how easy people can be controlled. There are two type of people. You have the everyday nobodys of society who sit back and let the government make the decisions, and you have the people who controll the nobodys.

With the help of the media, anyone can become a leader in our government.

Democracy is a very new type of government. It is still an experiment. So far it has proven to be stable, but how stable is society ever? Who was it that once said that each contry should have a revolution every couple years?

Democracy does a GREAT job of making its society think they have controll. We think we have freedom, but looking at this war and our "leaders" approval rating of like 20%... we can see that we barely have controll.

So you go ahead and write a letter to your congressman. You play a good role in society. If we didn't have sheep, we wouldn't have a shepard would we?

It is not fair that you say that I havn't any right to speak becasue im not old enough to vote. I may not be old enough to vote, but I see alot more clearly then some of you obsurdley hipocritical nationalistic conservatives who do nothing but "call there congressman"

You clearly need more wisdom. Yes thats coming from a 14 year old. Eat it.

(goddammit this is like the third time I've had to restart this, my computer keeps ****ing up)

Yes thats how a democracy works, we vote for officials we feel will best represent our ideals, in turn these officials get jobs where they get to decisions.

I really don't know, as I don't really think we've every really been bamboozled into committing atrocities. Take the holocaust, did all those Nazi's get the wool pulled over their eyes or did they actually believe in what Hitler was doing. Head over to Stromfront and they're people still following his ideals, and the Nazi party isn't doing so hot politically.



You have voters who elect people into the government, who then get to make decisions regarding policy and vote on issues.
Then you have people who don't vote these really are the people who let the government make decisions for you.

Yes that is the beauty of democracy. Anyone can be elected into a position if they run, anywhere from city council to president.


AHAHAAHAHAHAHAH oh thats funny stuff.
Democracy was the form of Government used by the Ancient Greeks.
Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Its been around since 1100BC.


If we needed a revolution every few years something would be terribly wrong.

No, we have control. Here's the thing we elected officials who in turn voted to go to war. The president didn't do it all on his own.

I will continue to vote. My question is, BarbieGirl14, what is your plan, what are you going to do to effect positive change? Because if you have a better plan I'd love to hear it.

Hold on let me point this out again....



oh lol, that gets me every time. I think that right there is why you can't vote.
Also I'm not entirely sure what a nationalistic conservative is, and I'm not so sure just being a voter makes me one.

You clearly need more government class. Yes thats coming from a 22 year old. Eat it.