Let's turn this Flaming and Complaining thread into a Mature Discussion. If anything, I want you guys to read a few key points. I copied and pasted this from another website (which I copied and pasted from this website. I wrote the thread along with Himeko).

Someone needs to explain to me what is so great about having racial pride. I think that anyone who is proud of their race is disgusting and I can’t wait for reality to assrape them with a knife.

Explanation?

Exactly what is one proud of their race for?

“All the inventions and accomplishments that came from it!”
Damn, shut the **** up. You’re actually proud that your race invented/accomplished something? Why is the fact that your race did it such a big ****ing deal? It’s not as if they invented it solely to give your race credit for something, and you should be ashamed of being proud of something so trivial. Be happy that someone made it period. Skin color, facial features, and hair should not even matter. Let’s not forget that none of those traits helped them invent/accomplish what they did.

“All the **** our ancestors had to put up with in the past!”
You’re an idiot. They had to put up with that **** because of racialism (racial pride), racial supremacism, and all this other crap. I don’t see why being proud that they were able to overcome it is important, either. The fact that they should not have had to can override this. Besides, they had to fight that ****, so why are you just making it harder on those you put down and the ones who look bad because of you?

“Because of how we look!”
Hardly. There are few to no traits that are identical for everyone in a racial group. Think about this. You cannot be proud of looking one way without being proud that you don’t look another. That’s the whole reason why you’re proud. You can’t be proud of getting an A without being proud that you didn’t get a B, C, D, or F. And why is how you look something to be proud of? Skin color---the amount of melanin in one’s skin---is nothing to be proud of. I’m not saying that it’s something someone should mope around and complain about, but it shouldn’t make a difference at all. It's great if you think your hair is pretty, but the best is not healthy. Nobody's hair is superior to anybody else's and it's just hair. What is there to be proud of? That you can slide a comb through it? Congrats. And what does it have to do with racial pride? Because you think you look the best? How ****ing stupid is that?

“Because we’re the best!”
No you’re not.

“What about interracial marriage and the mixing of races?”
What about it? What’s the ****ing deal with racial purity? The other members of your race have nothing to do you, so get the **** over it. Why do the races have to be “pure” (quite the delusion), anyway? What they look like makes no impact on anything (gene-wise, society makes a huge ****ing deal about it). It doesn’t make them smarter (gene-wise, society may value he intelligence of one race over another), about to do anything better, or anything else. What’s the importance of having everyone in a race look the same anyway? If there shall be racial purity, then what of the world? What’s its significance?

“Our culture is great and should be preserved!”
Your culture has nothing to do with what you look like. Anyone of any race can be a participant of any culture they please, so long as the other members aren’t idiots. Then again, how rare is that? Name one culture where racial features are absolutely required to participate.

So, what is there to be proud of? The fact that you’re a dick? Get this: your race isn’t special for having one.
-Icy and Himie

And one more point I'd like to add. People are continuing to list the accomplishments and such of their race, as well as remembering and accepting their past. We all here about how white people can't have pride and whatever without being racist. Fine, go ahead and accept **** that has nothing to do with you or your race beyond your own conceeded way of thinking. However, how come whenever a black person (in particular) brings up slavery, they have to "get over it, slavery ended forever ago, you were not enslaved, those slaves have [little to] nothing to do with you (beyond how ****ed society is making it for you), etc"? Can't the same be said to anyone else concerning racial pride? I'm not saying that slavery should be considered an excuse. But don't let the media fool you into thinking that the double-standard only concerns white people.


That's pretty sexy, Diastres =)
Yes. Yes, it is XDD
~DisasCatas
That's an awesome thing to say, Siphilis @_x;; (lol, interesting name XDD)
~DisasCatas
I'll be adding more as more show up.

So, are we all just suppose to envy everyone else's race and wish we were that......f*** that s***. I'm 100% Puerto Rican thanks to my mother and father. I don't speak spanish (sadly), I hate some of the food after being raised with it, and I find it annoying when they compair us to Mexicans. But having pride in who you are and your heritage is like a special thing that makes you who you are, but it doesn't have to show how you present yourself as such.

I would describe it like being a fan of your hometown sports team, if that helps any.

~Shwa'

Shwa', you're one head-headed bum. Didn't I just debunk what you said in the OP? This is why we benefit from the quotes I've provided. Seeing as you apparently didn't read or understands them, I'll post these two especially for you.

And what the ****ing hell does envy have to do with racial pride?
-Icy

TLDR

WTF , this b**** accusing people of being racist! She's taking their words WAY out of proportion and trying to accuse them all of hating others. It shouldn't matter about if they know about their culture or historical background, its about what they should feel as a group. Maybe what their specific race did long ago had nothing to do with the person now, but its a pride thing that we all feel whether good or bad.

If the mother f***er is white, he's white! I dont see how difficult that could be to comprehand, if he feels pride in being caucasion they so be it. Like a african-american would feel pride in being african american and other ethnicities would about their own race/nationality.

~Shwa'

The first post is sooo looong......

Being proud is human nature. You can't ge trid of it. When something great happens from your race, you'll feel good and have a sense of accomplishment, even if you didn't do squat. Just because you're proud doesn't mean you think you're greater than everybody else.

Disastrous Catastrophe is just being a loser. He/she's just trying to find little loopholes and details that no one would ever consider. Yes, pride can lead to racism, but it can also lead to a better sense of community. According to him/her, everyone is an ignorant racist.

Here's what I got from all this. Don't yell at me for what I interpreted:

Chinese guy: I am proud that the Chinese built the Great Wall. My ancestors were also part of the people who helped contruction so I feel a greater sense of pride coming from China.
Disastrous: No, you're proud of YOU, not your race, not the Wall, and not your family either. Racist *****. So you think Latinos can't build a wall too?

It is very funny that some makes claims to being non racist or having no bigorty at all. All I can say is "YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF".......you may want to project the idea that you are not racist or bigoted, but unless you are not of the "human" race you are suffering from self delusion. As can be proven, man is a social creature but only in relation to others of likemind and race, if not please explain the existence of the sundry and numerous "different" cultures and races across the globe. If it were true that its in the "nature" of man to be unbiased toward others there would in fact be only one race, one color , one faith, one creed, and this one race would be the human race. As I have said, it is a nice theory to want this utopian transcendence of acceptence by "all" but it is like the theory of communism....the only way that is can be successfully "practiced" is in theory and not in actual circumstance as there are is in fact not one "individual" that is completlely free of any racist or bigoted action on some level of life actual. But this does not take away from the fact that it is a "grand" theory and there is nothing wrong with seeking a plane of superior exellence......as this also is "inherent" to man......questing to gain that which he cannot "grasp". BD

Everybody is not. Explain a few things:

1) Loser how?
2) How can it lead to a better sense of community? Especially since you're only dividing everyone by things that are stupid?
3) Correct response: You're proud because your family was directly involved. What do you personally have to do with the construction of the wall to make you feel proud? Those who built it have nothing to do with you (outside of your family), so why are you proud?
4) Everyone is not an ignorant racist. It's ignorant to think that everybody cares about race, distinguishes everything by race, or any of that. I still don't see what there is to be proud of for a race. I'll add the new edits and the quotes to further my point.
5) I don't see you proving the point wrong.
-Icy

YOU are taking the words out of context. Nobody called anybody racist. Nobody said that anybody was hating on others. Why should they feel that as a group? Maybe I need to put the edits in here so you guys will understand something.

Oxy's sarcastic response belongs with your example, not his. Self acceptance is not the same as racial pride. They only feel it because they are taught to by society. Not pride in itself, but we have to learn what to be proud of. It doesn't come from nowhere.

And because someone who looks like you accomplished something, then why should [b]you[/i] be proud? You didn't do it. Your race didn't do it. Someone did it who happens to be in your race did it. So why give the race as a whole credit? And why lop yourself in with it when you had absolutely nothing to do with it?
-Icy

Don't fool yourself into thinking that every person is racist and bigoted. Again, that is something one LEARNS. They are not born with it. If they do not LEARN to think that way, then they will not. What's the impossible part?

Race was created by man, lol. Nothing further. Culture is not race.

Nobody is seeking a perfect world. We've proven that Earth is a spahere and people still believe that it is flat. But don't believe that everybody thinks like a racist idiot. Especially not because you (apparently) do. The "I do it, so everybody does" logic has no place here. Again, it is only there if someone LEARNS it. It's a shame if you can't name a single person who does not have a racial bias.
-Icy

He/she's being way too technical.

It sounds like he's just mad. So what if the guy thinks that racial pride includes his family or oneself? To me, it's too much of a pain to try to seperate everything into little insignificant categories.

Again with the little details. I can see where he/she could point out that race and family are different, but who really cares? When someone talks about race, they hope that their audience knows that that includes everything Disastrous is trying to pick apart. In other words, I don't believe that what Disastrous is trying to say is wrong. I just think it's unnecessary.

This guy gives me the impression that he/she's really bored and has nothing to do but to point out useless things that are up to a person's own interpretation anyway.

I can't tell you that what you say is wrong because trying to understand everything would make my head explode. The title itself is pretty extreme already.

All I'm saying is human nature (which can't be eliminated) factors into everything. You can't deny that you want to be a part of something that successful, especially if, like you said, it was done by someone with the same race as you. but doesn't concern you. We all want to be happy and accepted so the easiest thing to do is support the group of people who look like you. =/ Learning to have racial bias is inevitable also. There is no way that can be prevented. No way.


god I can't even concentrate on what I'm trying to say. Stuff is all over the place.

People who are really proud of their race are the ones that have been there for the good and the bad. Like the Iraqi people were all so proud to be Iraqi, but after 9/11, they weren't from there anymore.

I'm 50% Persian and damn proud. I'm proud of everything else I am, but I am the most proud of my Persian heritage. If I say to someone, "Oh yeah, I'm Iranian." They think on the top of their head that must be a crazy Muslim terrorist. Today, that's usually case. This is why I call myself Persian. Not does it only sound much cooler, but back in the day, it used to mean something to be Persian. It meant you smart, respectable, had great taste, and have huge amounts power.

Some great Persian achievements:
The guy who created Ebay is Persian.
The Persians first discovered wine.
The Persians brought on the invention of the postal system and its development.

The color of someone's skin is about the most meaningless charachteristic that someone could dream up. No one would say I like my white cat better than my black cat because my white cat is white. It's foolishness. People are more sensible when it comes to animals than they are of other human beings.

Culture on the other hand is a criteria. Cultures are different, not that one is better than the other. They are just different. Today people can live in whatever culture suits them. I know a Korean girl who keeps her hands hennaed. She likes it. White rap singers have adopted the black hip hop culture. Sometimes, though, cultures are so different that they are incompatible and cannot co-exist. That causes more trouble than race.