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08-13-2008, 08:12 AM
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#21 (permalink)
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Even a group of like minded humans is doomed to self-destruction and/or fighting. Hell, people fight with themselves! Like I said, extermination is the only guaranteed way.
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I choose death before dishonor
I'd rather die than live down on my knees
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08-13-2008, 09:06 AM
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#22 (permalink)
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Clearly not, as World Peace is a Human concept, and therefore requires Humanity's presence for it to exist, in effect, though the scale of that presence is unimportant, be it two or two million. Otherwise it'd just be a non-Human world. And there are plenty of those around already.
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You treat me as an outsider. You call an outcast, brand me an exile, but I am not so different from your kind, you know. Some small part of me was once Human. Perhaps this is why I fight for you...
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Life is hard, but death is too easy.
Last edited by Chaos; 08-13-2008 at 09:08 AM.
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08-13-2008, 09:44 AM
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#23 (permalink)
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No, it requires at least one living human to acknowledge it exists. It doesn't require a single human to actually exist.
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I choose death before dishonor
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08-13-2008, 03:20 PM
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World peace cannot be brought upon by a single fell swoop, but that is no reason to be cynical. Seemingly minor changes have historically accumulated with the result of people being more peaceful. It seems absurd to imagine world peace in the world of today, but maybe an age more prosperous, mature, and technologically able will provide people with no overriding incentive to go to war. It is something to strive for, but cautiously.
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"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Voltaire
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08-14-2008, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ExpectantlyIronic
Seemingly minor changes have historically accumulated with the result of people being more peaceful.
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Are we more "at peace" today than we were 500 years ago?
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08-14-2008, 04:11 AM
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#26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Boredie
Are we more "at peace" today than we were 500 years ago?
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No - today's Humans just do things at a grander scale. 500 years ago, an army could generally consist of around two hundred spearmen, perhaps fifty horsemen, and that would be considered a fairly powerful army. Today's army's, on the other hand, have many thousands of 'human resources'. As the population grows, so too does the scale on which things are done and measured.
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Originally Posted by Constantine
No, it requires at least one living human to acknowledge it exists. It doesn't require a single human to actually exist.
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Actually, it does technically require at the very least one or more living humans, otherwise it would not be peace, it would simply be an absence of humanity (though many would in fact call this peace). Even with just one human, it still wouldn't be 'peace', it would just be 'victory' or 'survival', depending on your viewpoint.
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You treat me as an outsider. You call an outcast, brand me an exile, but I am not so different from your kind, you know. Some small part of me was once Human. Perhaps this is why I fight for you...
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Life is hard, but death is too easy.
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08-14-2008, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Rectify88
I say this time and time again, but I can always say it more. The reason for no world peace is just about the same thing that Constantine said. The Human Element. Unless the element is obliterated Than there will never be room for peace. We're fallible and Man has never stopped persecuting his brother, and he never will.
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Humans are animals, animals are territorial. It's natural.
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“When freedom shivers in the cold shadow of true peril, it’s always the patriots who first hear the call. When loss of liberty is looming, as it is now the siren sounds first in the hearts of freedom’s vanguard.” - Charlton Heston
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Counting down to Whitetail Opening Day:
I'm probably sitting in a tree stand right now :)
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08-14-2008, 08:22 AM
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#28 (permalink)
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Which means the world is forever in a natural state of unrest.
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I choose death before dishonor
I'd rather die than live down on my knees
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08-14-2008, 08:27 AM
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#29 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by pro2A
Humans are animals, animals are territorial. It's natural.
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First, most animals aren't territorial, but "nomads". And second, man is different, because man has reason and culture working against his natural attributes.
Such a naturalistic explanation explains nothing whatsoever. And it says nothing whatsoever how things *ought* to be, by confusing description with normative claims. But just because it *is* this way, that does not mean it *has to be* that way, or *ought* to be that way.
The moment you say things *ought* to the that way, because that's how things are in nature, you are entering the realm of Nazist ideology.
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08-14-2008, 08:28 AM
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Godwin's Law rears its ugly head once again.
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I choose death before dishonor
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