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Old 10-02-2008, 02:10 AM
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Palin Is Ready? Please.

"McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, that is simply not true."

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Will someone please put Sarah Palin out of her agony? Is it too much to ask that she come to realize that she wants, in that wonderful phrase in American politics, "to spend more time with her family"? Having stayed in purdah for weeks, she finally agreed to a third interview. CBS's Katie Couric questioned her in her trademark sympathetic style. It didn't help. When asked how living in the state closest to Russia gave her foreign-policy experience, Palin responded thus:
"It's very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where—where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to—to our state."
There is, of course, the sheer absurdity of the premise. Two weeks ago I flew to Tokyo, crossing over the North Pole. Does that make me an expert on Santa Claus? (Thanks, Jon Stewart.) But even beyond that, read the rest of her response.

"It is from Alaska that we send out those …" What does this mean? This is not an isolated example. Palin has been given a set of talking points by campaign advisers, simple ideological mantras that she repeats and repeats as long as she can. ("We mustn't blink.") But if forced off those rehearsed lines, what she has to say is often, quite frankly, gibberish.

Couric asked her a smart question about the proposed $700 billion bailout of the American financial sector. It was designed to see if Palin understood that the problem in this crisis is that credit and liquidity in the financial system has dried up, and that that's why, in the estimation of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, the government needs to step in to buy up Wall Street's most toxic liabilities. Here's the entire exchange:
COURIC: Why isn't it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.
This is nonsense—a vapid emptying out of every catchphrase about economics that came into her head. Some commentators, like CNN's Campbell Brown, have argued that it's sexist to keep Sarah Palin under wraps, as if she were a delicate flower who might wilt under the bright lights of the modern media. But the more Palin talks, the more we see that it may not be sexism but common sense that's causing the McCain campaign to treat her like a time bomb.

Can we now admit the obvious? Sarah Palin is utterly unqualified to be vice president. She is a feisty, charismatic politician who has done some good things in Alaska. But she has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is a hell of a time to start. The next administration is going to face a set of challenges unlike any in recent memory. There is an ongoing military operation in Iraq that still costs $10 billion a month, a war against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan that is not going well and is not easily fixed. Iran, Russia and Venezuela present tough strategic challenges.

Domestically, the bailout and reform of the financial industry will take years and hundreds of billions of dollars. Health-care costs, unless curtailed, will bankrupt the federal government. Social Security, immigration, collapsing infrastructure and education are all going to get much worse if they are not handled soon.

And the American government is stretched to the limit. Between the Bush tax cuts, homeland-security needs, Iraq, Afghanistan and the bailout, the budget is looking bleak. Plus, within a few years, the retirement of the baby boomers begins with its massive and rising costs (in the trillions). Obviously these are very serious challenges and constraints. In these times, for John McCain to have chosen this person to be his running mate is fundamentally irresponsible. McCain says that he always puts country first. In this important case, it is simply not true.
Comments?

Question for McCain voters: Did you think for one moment that McCain could have chosen a better VP? If yes, who did you think would have been more qualified? Would you be pleased with a last minute switch of VP, if ever?

Or do you think that Palin was indeed the best choice available for McCain?

I guess I'm curious about the case for Palin without comparing her stats to Obama and Biden (meaning her own credentials are already good and there's no need to justify it by pointing out "it must be good only because it appears better than xxxx").



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Old 10-02-2008, 05:16 AM
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In my opinion McCain only picked Palin to pacify that female voter section since Hillary isn't on any bill. If people actually vote just because she will be VP, they deserve what they get which is more of this bull**** we have already.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:03 AM
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I have been asking some of my republican friends if they are ready for this assclown Palin to be President...because by voting for that old man you are pretty much voting for Palin as well because in 2 years when he dies she'll be in charged and we'll all be ****ed.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:04 AM
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In my opinion McCain only picked Palin to pacify that female voter section since Hillary isn't on any bill. If people actually vote just because she will be VP, they deserve what they get which is more of this bull**** we have already.
Don't forget that she is also an uber-Christian. That is the reason my parents are excited about her. They are probably hoping something will happen to McCain so she could be in charge. Scary.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:15 AM
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Well you have to put it this way:

Palin is more qualified and has more experience leading than Obama.

McCain is more qualified and has more experience leading than Obama.

Palin's experience leading may be limited but Obama's is even less.

Palin is on the back of the ticket, Obama is on the front.

You can't say Palin isn't ready without bringing up that Obama is also not ready. By his own admission a great deal of his experience comes from simply RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN.

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Old 10-02-2008, 11:20 AM
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Well you have to put it this way:

Palin is more qualified and has more experience leading than Obama.

McCain is more qualified and has more experience leading than Obama.

Palin's experience leading may be limited but Obama's is even less.

Palin is on the back of the ticket, Obama is on the front.

You can't say Palin isn't ready without bringing up that Obama is also not ready. By his own admission a great deal of his experience comes from simply RUNNING HIS CAMPAIGN.

If you put it like that, all I read that isn't up for debate is "Palin's experience is limited but she's on the back of the ticket anyway."
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:45 AM
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Is it overstating it that this election will be decided on the VP debate? That's never happened, but if Palin comes across strong tonight, she can turn the momentum. If not, she could sink the campaign into neverland.

I've seen her when she's being herself and she's brilliant. When she comes off as coached, she just falls.
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Old 10-02-2008, 11:57 AM
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Is it overstating it that this election will be decided on the VP debate? That's never happened, but if Palin comes across strong tonight, she can turn the momentum. If not, she could sink the campaign into neverland.

I've seen her when she's being herself and she's brilliant. When she comes off as coached, she just falls.
Oh, I didn't know it was tonight. Do they have a special topic? Is it her area of expertise (even if relatively speaking)?
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Old 10-02-2008, 12:03 PM
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There is only one VP debate so it will cover everything for the most part.

As for her experience, this should sum it up:

YouTube - Newt Gingrich asked about Palin's Experience. Checkmate.
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Old 10-02-2008, 01:31 PM
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I just found out something incredible about Biden. He was one of 5 Senators to vote against the original Trans-Alaska pipeline. Palin has got to put this on the table tonight. wow - this was made for Palin.

Biden Secret Service Code Name: 'Assassination Insurance' - HUMAN EVENTS

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Shockingly, Sen. Joe Biden was one of only five senators to vote against the first Alaskan pipeline bill in 1973. This is like having been a Nazi sympathizer during World War II. If Sarah Palin does nothing else, she has got to tie that idiotic pipeline vote around Biden's neck.

The Senate passed the 1973 Alaskan pipeline bill by an overwhelming 80-5 vote. Only five senators voted against the pipeline on final passage. Sen. Biden is the only one who is still in the Senate -- the other four having been confined to mental institutions long ago.

The stakes were clear: This was in the midst of the first Arab oil embargo. Liberal Democrats, such as senators Robert Byrd, Mike Mansfield, Frank Church and Hubert Humphrey, all voted for the pipeline.

But Biden cast one of only five votes against the pipeline that has produced more than 15 billion barrels of oil, supplied nearly 20 percent of this nation's oil, created tens of thousands of jobs, added hundreds of billions of dollars to the U.S. economy and reduced money transfers to the nation's enemies by about the same amount.

The only argument against the pipeline was that it would harm the caribou, an argument that was both trivial and wrong. The caribou population near the pipeline increased from 5,000 in the 1970s to 32,000 by 2002.

It would have been bad enough to vote against the pipeline bill even if it had hurt the caribou. A sane person would still say: Our enemies have us in a vice grip. Sorry, caribou, you've got to take one for the team. But when the pipeline goes through and the caribou population sextuples in the next 20 years, you really look like a moron.
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