Our government is wrong for many reasons. The main one being church related, for without the fear of God, the government will abuse privileges of man. With no religion in government, there is no value, and when there is no value, there is no altruism. As a result, there is only enough humanitarianism gestures to appear to be better than the former.

Separation of church and state introduces the world to the dark forces of BIGBROTHER, such as the patriot act, or in other words, the despotic act.

As a result of the lack of leadership in such a government, anarchy will result, for if the Government breaks the law, why should the people follow the law?

The ruling class fails to realize the existence of God, for they have been persuaded by foreigners, including princes and sheep's, such as Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, that the Bible is political, and merely an urban legend.

With a purely political unit in which excludes any belief of a higher power, war will be unstoppable, for without fear of God, one is either subjected to the dominion of man or one is subjecting weaker countires to its dominion. Without religion in government, justice is viewed as weak, peace is viewed as a last resort, death is veiwed as an end, trust is unattainable and thus fear of man as oppose to God becomes a controlling factor of the administration.

The fact of the matter is, man can not persuade anyone of peace without a promise of reward. The reason our government is hated, is because it is purely political. A purely political unit is viewed as pompous, and tyrannical. And as oppose to the sustaining of a Revolution, America becomes an empire, for if there is no belief in God, then life becomes a game.

Politics and capitalism are the machine.

The only people who follow American law are people who are on top, for it does not harm them. As for the rest of people, behind the scenes, they are anarchist, waiting for the world to change.

"Those princes and republics that want to keep themselves uncorrupted have to keep, above everything, the ceromonies of their relgion uncorrupted, and hold them alwasy as something to be venerated, for there is no indication of the ruin of a country than to see divine worship despised"

-via Machiavelli

So the church is the only place of morals?



I don't know where you live, but look closely and you'll see Bush is very much a man of god.

Again .. sombody replacing the word worship with the word religion .. replacing the word Yahweh ( .. name of the Christian deity who apparently wrote the bible .. ) with the word god .. a wolf dressed as a sheep ..

To presume high ground in such a manner is dubious @ best .. the peoples conscience needs no instruction .. what government needs is reason .. not loyalty to absurd acts of puppetry ..

The people will always be altruistic when they are being served by the public officials in a manner that welcomes the views of the people on policy .. as soon as the people feel like they are being herded & treated like dumb animals they become isolated from the government & each other ..

treat the people like people & they will be humanitarian .. treat them like dumb animals & they will not ..

With the fear of God, the church will abuse the privileges of man. Where's the difference? The church abuses the faith of people to mold them into their own shapes of what they believe is right and true.



The marriage of church and state introduces the world to the dark forces of organized religion. Once again, where's the difference?



True, if the government is going to break it's own rules, it's hard to believe in them. Yet, when priests are busy getting hand jobs from little boys, how can we be expected to follow the church either? Seeing the pattern here? The church is just as hypocritical as the government. Both are forms of control over a population, the only difference is the church pretends to be more pure.



I don't have anything against your beliefs, but once you start claiming God is real and the only answer, you start losing respect from me and probably many others. It has nothing to do with your solid beliefs, but the fact that you can't realize that 1: People are raised differently, 2: There is more than one religion (and they all know they're right) and 3: Not a single one of these religions that prays to a God or Gods can prove their existence.

People claim the bible is political because it's a great tool of persuasion to use on the people. What better way to gain control than to tell everyone they're going to suffer eternal damnation in a kingdom of fire and demons if they don't follow you?

If I was Buddhist, I could say you simply fail to recognize the existence of Shiva or Atman Brahman. So you see, this argument doesn't work either unless you're already Christian.



War will be unstoppable? Did you fail history class or do you just not read up on the history of your belief system?

Historical Persecution by Christians
Historical Prosecution by Jews
Historical Persecution by Muslims
The Crusades
The Cristero War
French Wars of Religion
Thirty Year's War

Heh, oh yeah, religion does a great job of stopping war alright. We can have justice without using the bible's many definitions. Not every single cop is Christian, so doesn't that mean that we know justice without following a system of beliefs?



Actually, many people hate the government because it incorporates religion more and more each day which goes against the rights of the people. We have freedom of religion, so why should one religion be pushed on the public? Because you think it's right? Well that's not justice, so don't preach what you don't believe. You don't believe in actual justice, you believe in Christian justice, which is their ability to persecute anyone who goes against them.

Life is a game! Who's to say otherwise? You believe what you want, like I said, I don't care. I have no problem with people having a different view than my own but this preaching is slightly annoying because it preys on the weak who are looking for a way.



I always thought the pope was hiding in my cereal.



There are a few key words in there. The main one, is "their" which suggests that people have their own beliefs. Also, the ironic part is that religious folk are the ones making divine worship despised by the public. That quote does not mention Christianity and it does not mention religion as needed to be part of government. It's simply saying that those that have religion must keep it pure. However, almost every religion has been corrupted, so I don't see how corrupt religions are better than corrupt governments.

It is indeed sad that divine worship is fading and being ousted by society because having a religion brings joy to a lot of people. I'm no opponent of joy, so rock on, believe in Jesus, worship Buddha, pray to an umbrella stand, whatever.

"One final commandment: Though shalt keep thy religion to thy self."

-George Carlin

To call organized religion a dark force is as much of a crock as decrying separation of church and state.

The original poster called the government a dark force, which was a personal opinion, just like my statement about organized religion.

So what exactly are you trying to prove here? I don't see anything.

Besides, most religious groups are corrupt because they've found ways to use their religious beliefs and systems to get what they want. Also, there's not many differences between organized religion and the government. Both are groups that find ways to control people and then shape them in their chosen image.

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Originally Posted by Merc The original poster called the government a dark force, which was a personal opinion, just like my statement about organized religion.

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Originally Posted by Merc So what exactly are you trying to prove here? I don't see anything.

My point is that theocracy is bad because it's incompatible with freedom of thought, not because religion is somehow a negative influence.

I never gave a clear reason why I called religion a dark force, don't you think it's possible that's what I meant? My reason for calling it a dark force is probably close to the one you provided.