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Terrorism
here is a definition I like. 2. Is terrorism justified? Since Ive just given a rather broad definition of the term, lets look at a few specific cases. Im sure most Americans feel as though we were the "good guys" in the cold war. In the end, we defeated the evil empire. Along the way, however, we employed methods that were undeniably terrorist in nature. Are these acts justified? (Id like to point out that I am not attempting to bash the US, but it seems to be a more interesting question when we look at what we ourselves have done.) In an effort to stop the spread of communism, we supported police states in South America, knowing full well that they commited state terrorism against their citizens. The CIA provided assistance in the overthrow of democratically elected president Salvidor Allende, and provided a list of suspected communists for the new regime to round up and kill. We trained the Contras to kill peasants because we didnt like the Sandanista's way of doing things. Although we didnt get our hands dirty, these are clear acts of terrorism. Hell, if you go back far enough, our entire country is founded on terrorism against Native Americans during our westward expansion. The point of this isnt to **** on the US of A. I want to know what people think about our own use of terrorism and its morality. 3. What is the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter? Ive often noticed that the word is used much more often for killings with low-tech weapons. to me, Terrorism is partially about killing civilians. Why then, are Palastinians considered the terrorists, when the Israeli's have killed so many more civilians? I think parially its because of the non-offical nature of Palastinian groups, but also becuase Palastinians fight using homemade bombs while the Israelis fight using jets. Anyways, your thoughts? |
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Well, people beleive that any nation not their own, that if they are not on your side, then they are presumably, the bad guy.
Any nation can be considered a terrorist, but Americans will most likely not consider themselves terroists because they live here. Is it not every nation's way of thinking that they are the "good guy"? Then aren't we all terrorist's to other nations? This could go on and on forever, no one nation/person/nationality is right in the way they think. The only thing you can hope for is that every is on everyone's side. We may not be right, but I guarantee that's the only way...or we all kill ourselves. |
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1. Terrorism is a word thrown around far too much today. Many entities use fear to obtain political objectives. Why does the Terror Alert Level in the U.S always stay at yellow or orange? Terrorism today is mostly used to describe organizations or people using violence to get what they want, whether prisoners, sovereignty (in the case of Chechnya), money, whatever.
2. I believe that terrorism is effective, but justified? I'm not so sure. If a government or organization has wronged you or your people, and terrorism is the only way to regain what rights or things that are rightfully yours, then I could see it as being justified. 3. In many regards, terrorist vs. freedom fighter depends on which side you are. Do the terrorists and their supporters believe themselves to be terrorists, when they believe what they are doing is just and righteous? Probably not. Freedom fighters would probably target the occupying forces, or target government/military targets. If you blow up a crowded market in the middle of Baghdad, the penultimate of "soft" targets, that would be something I'd consider a terrorist act. |
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I apologize for the repetitions, the incoherency, and the going off-topic. I became extremely caught up in something important and my mind just trailed off....) |
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I agree that terror and terrorism needs to be engaged directly where ever found and defeated, due to its affect upon the innocent. Terrorists are generally and almost universally cowards, who fight with non-military doctrine and generally less than honorable actions in every instance. If terror could be addressed via democracy it would be fairly easy to address but through proven circumstance it cannot. That is why in the final analysis, based on the best anti-terror experts testimony, terrorists need to be dispatched, killed, and terminated, for the benefit of mankind. IntheNet |
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terrorism? seems to me that if folks in country "x" have an issue w/ the "oppressive regime" of country "x", the target should be the government of country "x". do disgruntled citizens start off as revolutinaries and become terrorists because not enough of their fellow countrymen are willing to pick up arms and overthrow their governemnt and thus resort to blowing up buildings, institutions, or groups of citizens in a game of "catch me if you can"?
in my eyes, the situation becomes extremely different when a "freedom fighter/terrorist" from country "x" decides to kill folks from country "y" in country "y". that is nothing more than an invasion and an act of war. for instance, this business today can hardly be considered an a terrorist act. people boarding a plane in england w/ the intention of blowing up the plane bound for the u.s. is an invasion and an act of war. the distinction b/n a commercial plane and a troop transport plane and the distinction b/n a uniform and a pair of jeans is patently superficial. it seems to me that terror is a means of a revolution intranationally. in other words, and not to single out anyone, if a citizen of egypt has a problem w/ the mubarek government, the target should be the mubarek government. if the egyptian citizen gets on a plane and goes to iraq to blow people up in iraq, he is an invader making an act of war. two things seem significant to the collapse of these concepts. it is a convenient shorthand to avoid the use of the "w" word (war). second, it gives the host government "plausible deniability". given the possible "unintended consquences" of war, we can all avoid the uncomfortable word war and live in a polly anna state of bliss that no one except for a "few crazy radicals" wish to do us harm in country "y". p.s. not too happy w/ my explication here. i shouldnt write when i am tired. |
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I think a good definition of terrorism is, politically induced crime.
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All I will say is that our western nations have a long history of actually using the tactic, so to condemn terrorism as a tactic is to condemn virtually every nation in the world today and every nation in history. Terrorism has always been used by States, groups and individuals throughout history. Quote:
The term has now apparently become meaningless in any sense except the political now - it is a term of propaganda - "us or them". |
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terrorism: an act perpetrated by a disaffected individual or individuals who do not have enough popular support to organize an revolt or overthrow of their government or occupying government and who lack the brain capacity to find a means of accomplishing his/her/their political goal w/o resorting to the slaughter of innocent people.
when a socalled terrorist/freedom fighter/murderer attacks the citizens/people of another country w/in that country's borders, it is nothing less than an act of war. to wit, tim mcveigh's was a terrorist; a us citizen who attacked a us target inside the us. bin laden and his band of merry men committed an act of war on the us on 9/11 (putting aside conspiracy issues). |
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