Unwillingness to listen? Oh I listen... how about I know that liberals want to ban all guns, raise taxes, spread the misery and take away personal liberty from people because they don't have common sense. That sounds pretty clear doesn't it. I listen to liberals, the fact is I DON'T agree. Their views on certain issues are fine, if you don't like guns, you have that right. But when someone who wants to be president won't even support our flag or hold his hand to his heart to honor our national anthem and you don't see a problem with this, then I have a serious issue.

Where are you getting all this "the liberals are after us!" rhetoric from?

And furthermore I don't see a problem with him not doing what everyone else is doing, know why? Because it's irrelevant to the actual job of the presidency, its just picking one little problem and turning it into a serious issue and then you go on and label anyone who doesn't feel a certain way as unAmerican.

You know why you and the far left don't see an issue with it? It's because it's irrelevant to you guys. God and country mean nothing to you. It's like trying to explain why molesting children is immoral to a pedofile. If you don't see the root of the problem (which is the case with the left) then you won't understand why its immoral and unAmerican (Again using American in a figurative sense and not litrerally). Obama and the left see nothing morally wrong with not holding thier hand to their heart for the Anthem... again its all about AMERICAN VALUES AND RESPECT for our nation. It has nothing to do with policy or how he runs the nation. A man who does not repect our nation or its symbols does not have America in his best intrest.

OF course it's irrelevant to me, it will have no outcome of the presidency at all, it's not a magic pin or gesture that helps ease or solve world problems.

If you're gonna determine the level of patriotism someone has by whether they wear some pin or not then you're definitely missing the big picture.

See above response. Pins and gestures are NOT proof of holding American values or respect or anything.

See above response again.

But while we're on the subject show me some other way how he doesn't respect America or hold it in his best interest.

That's not a very good argument. I think people should care at least a bit about what exactly "being an American" means to whomever is chosen to be the next President of the United States of America. By the standards you mentioned, here is another "American" for you:

This person is an American citizen. Born in America. Raised in America. Decorated war hero who served in the Gulf War. Sound good so far?




I'm sure you didn't mean pick just anybody but I had to call you out there... I realize this example is an extreme one but it shows that clearly all "Americans" are not the same. Being born here doesn't automatically make somebody presidential material.

Timothy McVeigh was an American.

How did my post not address yours? You said "Nobody cares about being an "American" as the term is defined by you."

I think people should look for other requirements in a president besides just "being an American". There are different types of Americans as I pointed out in my previous post.

Yep, and if you care about whether or not pro2A would call you "American", then I stand corrected. The vast majority of people have no idea who pro2A is, though, and thus are in no position to care.

I never said anything to the contrary.

I read the whole thread and here are my thoughts.



He is

Actually if you think about it is his choice to hang the flag in his office and someone's race is not thier choice. So by that logic...oh wait...no logic

I think that "never being proud of your country" until your husband is ahead in the democratic primaries is unpatriotic and should not be tossed aside with a comment like "so what?"

180 DOCUMENTED VICTIMS OF CHÉ GUEVARA IN CUBA

I don't, I think that that is a dumb argument, but how about the fact that he launched his political campaign in the house of Bill Ayers, and unrepentent terrorist who wishes that he had done more.

Ok there was a reason, and if they had a chance to get Osama Bin Lauden they would have, it's not like they are avoiding finding him.

He is not un-american, he is anti-American.

sorry I don't want that future

But if you were asked to, why wouldn't you?

I care, and yes it does make it less meaningful, and it looks unpatriotic.

I think that Hillary does, but nobody cares about her because it is very unlikely that she will win anyway. No McCain does not support this John McCain on Gun Control

Actually what he said was "I can no sooner disown him, than I can disown my own mother."
Also if he really wanted to "cut him off" why didn't he do it before the media picked up on it.

I think you heard this wrong. Dr. Cone is a black liberation theologist, and the 20 years is how long he has been going to the church in which Rev. Wright was influenced by Dr. Cone

Why shouldn't he. It represents patriotism and frankly the President of the USA should be patriotic.

we don't just bomb everybody we don't like. And Meeting with terrorist leaders without preconditions is just stupid.

Why doesn't Obama have an American Flag in his office? Che Guevara tried to destroy Capitalism...what is Obama...A Socialist. I am pretty sure that he supports Guevara's Ideas.

let's think...Universal Health care...pay for everyone to go to college...tax the rich more so that the wealth will be more evenly distributed. I think you meant he is not a Communist

Nixon had preconditions when he talked to Khrushchev. Gorbachev was not a terrorist and Gorbachev was not an evil person or he would have stopped the fall of the Soviet Union by killing many more citizens.

He supports his socialistic ideals.

Actually most rational people have many problems with this.

He has the same socialistic ideals

the statements were not inaccurate.

It represents the USA

Um our soldiers should definitely have the best equipment.

I know many people who do. I don't know anyone who carry assualt-rifles or anything like that though.

I don't care what he calls it, it sure looks like socialism to me!

They had pre-conditions

So now anyone who is patriotic is a fascist?


We're not excited about going to war with Iran, but if they attack us or one of our allies, what choice do we have?

Wearing the flag pin does not make you patriotic automatically, Just like not wearing the pin doesn't mean for sure that you are not patriotic, but it definitely does not make you look very patriotic.

So how does that make him a Che Guevara supporter?

What is it with people and throwing the "unpatriotic" sticker on every comment that you don't agree with?

What?

They had a chance, they gave it up and went into Iraq which begs the question, where is he now since it's not like we're avoiding finding him.

These things are coming out of the works today

That was before he actually ditched him.

And here I thought serving your country or something was representing patriotism. He shouldn't have to do anything, the pin is not going to make everything better, the pin doesn't prove anything.

Iraqi people don't agree....

What makes you think he doesn't have a flag of America? Furthermore why does he have to have one?

At the expense of tax-paying Americans...

And for the OP, honestly...it doesn't take a lot of skill to find a video that some **** made up, mixed some facts with other random stuff and nitpicked at things that are largely irrelevant to the race. I can grasp at straws and take quotes out of context too, which seems to be the whole premise of this thread.