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Old 06-24-2009, 03:24 PM
Ghostface
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Do You Believe?

Do you believe that God exists? .. that there is an afterlife, and that Heaven and Hell exist?

Do you believe that God created the world as you know it, and that everything that you see around you was created by his hand? Do you believe that there really is life after death, and that you will be judged according to your doings on Earth?

I'm really interested to hear everyone's views on this topic, because many people have different views. Let's not get it heated in here, but the debate can go as far as it can.

So i'll begin?

I personally believe that God exists. I believe that everything in existence was created by God, and that we will be judged according to our doings on Earth. Therefore, i believe that the afterlife exists, and there really is a Heaven and Hell.



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  #2 
Old 06-24-2009, 03:39 PM
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I choose not to bother.

I'm not an atheist, I'm more of an agnostic because I think whatever put this universe together (if anything) that it's far beyond our comprehension. Heaven and Hell are simply concepts put into play to control and curb people's behaviors. That's just my beliefs though. I have no problem with those who do believe, I just don't see it as realistic.
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Old 06-24-2009, 04:46 PM
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I guess this is discussed over and over again.
anyway, i believe in God or in any supernatural thing.
we're not self-created. something must have created us. we're too complicated to be created by chance.

but i don't believe in heaven/hell. these are man made which help us be better persons.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:40 PM
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I don't believe in gods or ghosts, and don't think death will be bad in the slightest.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:43 PM
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There is no god.

Our souls pass into another body being born the moment of our death.

At least, that's my belief. :D
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:35 PM
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All right, here we go:

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I believe the Scripture in the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, both Old and New Testaments, are the plenary, verbally inspired Word of God. "Verbal" refers to the principle of inerrancy, that inspiration extends to each and every word. Inspiration means “God-breathed” (2 Timothy 3:16) and means that the Bible is God’s complete and connected thought to mankind (2 Peter 1:20–21; 2 Timothy 3:16–17; Matthew 5:18; John 16:12–13). God the Holy Spirit so supernaturally directed the human writers of scripture, that without waiving their human intelligence, vocabulary, individuality, literary style, personality, personal feelings, or any other human factor, His complete and coherent message to mankind was recorded with perfect accuracy in the original languages of Scripture, the very words bearing the authority of divine authorship. Therefore the Bible is the final authority in all matters about which it speaks.

I believe in one God, Who is sovereign, righteous, just, eternal, love, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, immutable, veracious, merciful, good, infinite, and gracious in His essence. He exists in three persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three persons of the Godhead are co-equal and co-eternal and co-infinite. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 5:3–5; John 10:30; Psalm 22:1; Matthew 3:16; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Genesis 48:15–16, 2 Samuel 23:2-3; Genesis 1:26).

I believe that God the Father is the first person of the Godhead. He is the Father, architect, and planner of all creation (Malachi 2:10; Acts 17:29; Jeremiah 33:27; 1 Corinthians 8:6). He is the Father of all believers in the Lord Jesus Christ (Psalm 103:13; Galatians 3:26) but not the Father of unbelievers (John 8:42-44). The relationship between God the Father and God the Son did not have a beginning but has existed from eternity past. The Father’s character is revealed to us in the person of Christ (John 8:58; 17:5, 24; 20:17). The Father and the Son are co-equal and co-eternal in essence. The Son voluntarily submitted Himself to the Father’s plan so there could be a savior for mankind (1 Corinthians 8:6). The Father is the Supreme Person of the universe (Hebrews 6:13). He has absolute will and does whatever He pleases (Isaiah 55:11, 56:4, 42:21, Psalm 115:3, 135:6, 1 Corinthians 1:21; Colossians 1:19; Hebrews 11:5; Ephesians 1:5, 9). It pleased the Father to send the Son to die as a spiritual substitute for the sins of the human race (John 3:16–18). The Father was propitiated by the Son’s impeccable sacrifice on the cross (Romans 3:25). Those who accept the Son and His work on their behalf enter into the family of God at the instant of faith in Christ. Through this the Father brings many sons into glory and glorifies the Godhead (Romans 8:14, 19; Galatians 4:5–6, Hebrews 2:10; 1 John 3:2).

I believe that God the Son is co-equal, co-eternal, and co-infinite with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit; He possesses the same divine attributes as the Father and the Holy Spirit. I believe that the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son, agreed to the incarnation in order to glorify the Father and redeem mankind from the slave market of sin. The Son (undiminished Deity) united with perfect humanity (Hebrews 10:5) to become Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 1:21–25). The humanity of Jesus Christ was concieved by God the Holy Spirit when the Spirit enabled the virgin Mary to conceive apart from procreation (Luke 1:35). His conception was supernatural and thus Jesus did not have a human father. Due to this He did not possess Adam’s sinful nature and did not receive the imputation of Adam’s original sin. The Son’s nature was such that He was true, sinless humanity and undiminished deity united in one person forever (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:18–25; Colossians 2:9; Philippians 2:5–9). I believe that He voluntarily restricted the independent use of His divine attributes while on earth in order to rely strictly upon the Holy Spirit’s power for His spiritual life and power for some miracles. In this way He was victorious over Satan and the world system using the Spirit’s power in order to defeat His enemies and show us how we should live by means of the Spirit. Thus he set the precedent for the unique spiritual life of the Church Age. Jesus is the One and only Savior of the world and to gain eternal life one must place their faith alone in Him alone for salvation (Acts 4:12; 16:32; John 3:16, 36).

I believe that the Holy Spirit is co-equal and co-eternal and co-infinite with the Father and the Son. As God He possesses the same divine attributes as the Father and the Son. His ministry is to convict the world concerning the sin of unbelief, the absolute righteousness of God, and the judgment of Christ as our substitute (John 16:8–11). The Spirit is the agent of regeneration, sanctification, and comfort to those who believe in Jesus Christ (John 14:26). The Holy Spirit is a person just as the Father and Son are persons. He indwells all believers of the present church age. By Him all believers are baptized into the body of Christ and He seals them until the day of redemption. It is the duty of every believer to be filled with the Spirit through confession of sin (1 John 1:9) and thus fulfill the command to be “filled with the Spirit” (Eph. 5:18) and “walk by the Spirit” (Gal. 5:18).

I believe that the human soul was created in the image of God. The image of God refers to the reflection of His divine essence. Man's image reflects God's image in his immaterial makeup. Adam sinned willfully against God's command not to eat of the forbidden tree and died spiritually. Mankind instantly became separated from God and unable to fellowship with Him (Genesis 3:18–19; Romans 3:23; 5:12; 6:23; Ephesians 2:12). All human beings inherit a sin nature which has been genetically passed down through the male since Adam. To this sin nature is imputed Adam's original sin (Romans 3:23; 5:12) and each person is therefore born physically alive and spiritually dead. This describes the depravity of all mankind. Man, controlled by the sin nature, wants independence from God. God condemns mankind and will bring him to judgment (Hebrews 9:27; Revelation 20:11–15). God is fair and offers mankind an alternative through the sacrifice of His Son. Adam and the woman accepted the coats of skins from the hand of the Lord in Genesis 3:21. The shedding of animal (lamb, sheep, goats) blood and the couple's faith in the promised, future Savior enabled them to receive the free gift of eternal life. This became the pattern of recovery for all of mankind. Each individual must personally accept the Savior in order to be removed from judgment (John 3:36).

I believe that anyone who accepts the free gift of salvation through faith alone in Christ alone receives eternal life at the point of faith or belief. As a child of God (John 1:12), member of the royal family of God and royal priest (I Peter 2:5–7, 9) each believer is eternally secure in Christ. At no time can a believer forfeit his salvation by irresponsible, neglectful behavior, or any sin of the mind, speech, and behavior. Eternal security is based upon God's hold on us, not our hold upon Him (John 10:28–29; Jude 24).
Since we are saved by faith it is an act of God's grace to give eternal life (Ephesians 2:8–9; Titus 3:5). Therefore, it is God's responsibility to keep us in His love in which He is absolutely capable (Romans 8:38–39). Even if we fall away into sin and deny our salvation, the Lord cannot deny us our salvation although He will deny us rewards (2 Timothy 2:11–13). Believers are assigned titles such as “holy”, “beloved”, and “elect” to indicate their eternal security in Christ (Colossians 3:12; Ephesians 1:7, 2:8–20).
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I'm not an atheist, I'm more of an agnostic because I think whatever put this universe together (if anything) that it's far beyond our comprehension. Heaven and Hell are simply concepts put into play to control and curb people's behaviors. That's just my beliefs though. I have no problem with those who do believe, I just don't see it as realistic.
- I find this post very interesting. On the one hand, you state that "whatever put this universe together [is] far beyond our comprehension". This statement implies that we humans have a very small understanding of the cosmos (and beyond?) and reality in general. And then, on the other hand, you say that you find concepts like heaven and hell to be "unrealistic". It just seems contradictory to me.

And, if you really stop to think about it... why are things like God, heaven and hell "unrealistic"? What is realistic? Us humans, even collectively, have an infinitesimal understanding of reality. The Earth is like a grain of sand in the Pacific, probably smaller.... if you really think about it... we know next to nothing about reality. And, like I said in a philosophy thread, the only thing we can fully know is that we exist.

So, it just seems ironic to me when somebody makes a judgment call about how heaven and hell are "unrealistic"...

Edit: And if anybody is curious: I did not personally type up all those doctrinal statements above. They are from my church website, and I wholly agree with them.

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Old 06-24-2009, 10:43 PM
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I believe the Bible, and I believe that there is a God. I also believe that the Bible has been a bit twisted by man over the years though. I take most of it at face value, but alot of the customs and 'rules' it teaches are culturally relevant to the time when the bible was written, but certain things need to be rethought for todays culture. (IE: Don't follow the rules to a tee. 'aka, girls don't need to refrain from braiding their hair'. Just think about why those 'rules' would have been institued, and live your life in such a way so that the same outcome occurs.)

I believe that if I pray, God is listening and if it's his will, he'll make it so. But I also trust that he knows what's best for me. If times are tough, eventually they won't be and I'll have learned from them. God won't let anything happen that I can't handle.

Lastly, I believe that the only way I can get into heaven is by believing and having faith that God sent his son Jesus down to earth as a man so that he could die on the cross as an ultimate sacrifice for my sins and the sins of all man. Thus making it so I don't have to sacrifice a goat to have a better chance at heaven. Through Jesus, my sins are forgiven and now God can stand to have me in heaven with him when I die.

That's what I believe.
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Old 06-25-2009, 12:34 AM
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but i don't believe in heaven/hell. these are man made which help us be better persons.
or help the church become richer.

I don't belive neither god nor heven and hell.
well, is heaven really as pleasureable as we think? can you imagine staying in one place (where nothing interesting happes but angels sing and so on) for eternity? it would be even worse than hell.
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:49 AM
Ghostface
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Good replies so far - reasonable enough to me. However..

Heaven and Hell. If they don't exist, what becomes of the Afterlife? Surely, if there is no Heaven and Hell, there isn't an Afterlife?

Which would therefore mean that we get one life, and one life only.

Is this - (life on Earth) - really it? After this, we die. Would that be all do you think?

(This is to those who don't really believe in the Afterlife)
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Old 06-25-2009, 03:56 AM
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Quote:
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Do you believe that God exists? .. that there is an afterlife, and that Heaven and Hell exist?

Do you believe that God created the world as you know it, and that everything that you see around you was created by his hand? Do you believe that there really is life after death, and that you will be judged according to your doings on Earth?
Yes. I believe all you stated.
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